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Windows 8,10 rant and recommendations

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Just thought I would add this note for people who are thinking about upgrading (? :? ) to Windows 10.

If you don't have a touch screen machine Windows 8, 8.1 is just plain silly stupid.
So if you have 8.1 ( since you were probably forced to this version from 8 ) I would recommend going to 10, but it might be a real pain.

For the least pain I would suggest this process.
Make sure you are logged in on your machine as the local Administrator ( the account that controls the machine), if you are not, and don't know how to be logged on as the local Adminstrator... you are the wrong person to be doing this upgrade.
1st back up your system drive ( C: ) to another hard drive.. a USB connected external drive is probably cheap enough and is most certainly the most convenient solution.
[using File Explorer is a sure way to not backup all of your files, as by default it hides from you many of them.
I would recommend http://www.ghisler.com/ Total Commander. I have been using this program since long before Blizzard existed, it is free to use, but worth the price to remove the startup nag.]

Make a list of all the programs/apps you use on a regular basis or find important enough to have available.
[If you really aren't a computer savvy person... now is also a good time to go into all of your programs and write down all the configurations settings you are using.]
You will probably find that you have programs that you have installed over time that you just don't use.. this is a good time for them to go away.

Once these two steps are done, it is time to verify you have enough free space for the upgrade.
The upgrade process creates a Windows.old folder and places in it your pre-existing Windows, Program Files, Program Files (x86), ProgramData and a few small folders.
This folder is suppose to allow you to undo/goback if your install fails badly.
For my notebook system with World of Warcraft and other stuff installed the Windows.old folder grew to over 79GB.
Add to that the ~6GB-10GB? need for all the upgrade files and processing space.

Having verified your backup worked, you can delete from your C: drive stuff to make space.

Oddly enough I would recommend deleting World of Warcraft.

WoW was the easiest recovery of all of my programs, just copy back, right click on the old WoW launcher and Run as Administrator to get WoW linked back into windows.
Download a new Battlenet client and launch.

OK you are ready to upgrade

It helps to have an always on auto connect Internet connection... but if you need to use a public wifi spot where you have to authenticate via the hot spots webpage, the upgrade process will still work (mostly)

Even if you enrolled in the upgrade program that pre-loaded much of Windows 10 on your computer, there will still be a lot of downloading during the actual upgrade process.

Trigger the upgrade and sit back and relax... handle the few prompts that might pop up (for example your login credentials for your internet router) and soon ( a variable meaning word ) Windows 10 will be active on your computer.

And after the final reboot
if your new windows 10 system comes up working as it should.. you are golden... lucky you.
[Don't be silly.. there have been many patches since Windows 10 was released.. you can force this updating by {Start button - Settings - Update & Security - Update} or it will happen automatically during a reboot anyway (new nearly no option default..updates will happen when Microsoft says they happen.)]

If on the other hand, like for myself, the new start button doesn't, you can't get to the start menu, the new search helper Cortana won't, and the problems notification app doesn't, and wifi refuses to auto-connect.. it is time for UPGRADE STEP TWO.

THIS IS WHERE YOU REALLY NEED TO HAVE DONE THAT BACKUP.
And you can't just skip to this step first.. as the initial install generates the product key that allows you to run Windows 10.

The first step is go to this link http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/wind ... _wol_win10 and follow the instructions.

Supposedly you can do a direct reinstall in place... but I am paranoid enough to suggest going clean from boot upgrade.
Using the tool you will download a full windows 10 install set and create a bootable install.iso image.
You will need to burn that to a DVD platter or process into onto a bootable USB drive. The image is just over 3GB in size.

Boot from the image and you will be given the choice to do a FULL Reinstall.. or Repair.

FULL will wipe your C: drive

Repair works fine as it just handles the windows stuff and what is in Program folders AND what is known by windows in your Installed programs list.

Since this process acts like a new install with know key, it will almost certainly end with a fully working Windows 10 system, unless your hardware actually isn't compatible with Windows 10 in the first place.

A Removed.Apps.html file will be placed on your desktop.
This is a list of all the programs/apps that windows knows it deleted. (basically it is a list of all the programs in your Programs and Features list where you go to change or uninstall programs)
What this list doesn't show is any programs that might not fully follow Microsoft rules.
As an IT guy I have found and use a number of quick and dirty tools to get certain jobs done and these tend to not bother with the nicety of full integration into the registry and the uninstall list.
That is why you need to make that written list, since windows might not be able to do it for you.

Use Microsofts new Edge web browser to open Removed.Apps and your first re-installs should be your favorite web browser and your anti-virus software.
I prefer Firefox with Noscript and Adblock+ addons and either the free Avast or AVG anti-virus programs.
Then do the rest of your re-installs.
IF you are knowledgeable enough you can copy back the configuration data for all of your programs from your backup and have them up and running quickly.

When you are done you will find you have a number of older programs that just don't work with windows 10.
Typically these are old support programs and drivers from your hardware manufacture.
If you are in luck you will find they were pre-loaded into windows 10.
If you are not so lucky, then oh well, I hope you didn't really need them because the hardware vendor isn't going to spend money to support hardware they are no longer selling.
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:shock:

The more I read about Windows 10 (privacy and control seem a tad lacking, even if you manage to make it install correctly...), the more I suspect I'll end up running Windows 7 for even longer than I ran XP. My other half is an IT type and he's switched to Linux, can't say I blame him though I prefer to stick with what I know, at least as long as it's not completely obsolete. (Also WoW runs terribly on Linux, he has to dual boot into Windows if he wants more than 20fps - that alone is a dealbreaker for me :P)

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I hear that...

Ran into another little issue for our small public library.. more about that at below
(Ok not so small.[BRAG TIME]... last fiscal year stats)
Local population (potential users) > 1 Million
annual visits (doorway counters) > 6 Million
collection size > 2 Million items (>20 different languages)
items loaned >9.8 Million
+ ebook check outs > 500,000

23 library locations in the City
where Librarians answered over 400,000 reference questions
ran over 17,000 program events with nearly 350,000 attendees
with only 317 full time staff
With the help of over 2600 volunteers contributing over 75,000 hours of support
(sorting and shelving returned items, tutoring, reading to little ones (and listening as they read to the volunteer))
Something to be proud of as a community.
And the special link that keeps me in the area.
This library is (as far as I know) the only public city library which shares facilities and collections with a major University.
And with the inter-library agreements, I can get just about anything from any member library (most of the US west coast libraries) at no charge.
And the big reason I use my notebook at the library nearly every day...
The internet is provided by the University... so it has a very fast and big pipe.. my downloads are almost limited only by my wifi hardware.

Oh the problem Microsoft has dropped support for Digital Rights Management... due to security issues as to how they had handled it.
This means a lot of older games that release with DRM to stop pirating won't work. (actually not a big issue as most games are very dead or stopped using DRM)
The side effect of this decision is that one of the providers of audiobooks that can be downloaded via library checkout announced their books can no longer be played on a number of (WMA,MP3) players.

short answer - if you checkout downloaded audiobooks (and maybe ebooks) from your library, you may not be able to shift them to another device to listen to /or read - if you only have windows 10

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And Oh how I so love Microsoft Windows (if only my clients didn't use this.. on the other hand going to some other operating system just comes with its own set of troubles and oddities)

Windows 10 update 1115 just came out.. (in an interview one of the Windows 10 bosses, after many repeats of Update 1115 (November 2015) finally said at the end of the interview.. ok. yea it is basically Service Pack 1.. but I can't say that!)

Saturday late afternoon I noticed that my machine was receiving the update push.
Since I wasn't at a location where I could spend 4 or more hours.. I killed my network connection and
after dinner set back up for the update.

After the big download finished.. it gave dire warning about possibly doing the same removing of apps as the initial install had done and started chugging.
After more then four hours with multiple restarts and even more downloading the final restart happened.
with the big screen full cheery one liner.. ALL YOUR PROGRAMS ARE WHERE YOU LEFT THEM..or something to that effect.

I didn't see any big changes.. and to be honest I hadn't expect to see any, since the big push from Microsoft was more integration with stuff like Windows Phone, and touch screen based apps. etc. which I don't want/need/or use.

It was a couple of days later that I stumbled upon the fact that many of my system settings had been mucked with.. being reset to Microsoft preferred standards.. a number of file type associations had been reset to Microsoft programs. This silliest one was having .PDF files associated with Edge instead of Acrobat from Adobe.

And I am again having issues with some drivers.. I need to see if Microsoft overwrote my valid drivers with their 'oh this should work' drivers.
Little details like my biometrics scanner.. and the battery charge control driver.. hmm.. so why is my notebook battery not recharging? Little details. sigh

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Probably my final update on this topic.

While Microsoft still can not leave user settings alone when they do a patch Tuesday release... things are getting settled down.

Lately I have seen a couple of notebook computers trigger the Win 10 upgrade process by surprise (well not really, it was just the owners are clueless and can NOT stop clicking on icons.)

The latest was a newish VALUE class notebook (a machine you would never run WoW on), and to my surprise the upgrade was flawless.

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