Drysc(blue) Giving Warcraftrealms a Bad Name

[xpolockx]

I usually create a census toon on Most Wanted realms, and then even if it drops off, whenever I have time to do full censuses (which isn't as often as I like any more), I still do those servers, and add in more Most Wanted. I think I'm gonna be maxed out soon. =/

Yeah, that's what happened to me. I ended up at my max a little while ago, and had to clear some of the higher submission realms just to hit up some of the latest "most wanted" realms. More manpower would definitely help

[Balgair]

Yeah, I think I need to find a way to push the activity ratios a bit more. People focus in too much on the total characters when the activity ratios really give a better indicator of 'life on the farm'.

Bit behind here, sorry for bumping an old thread

Anyway, one way to make people take more notice of the activity ratio might be to make it a little clearer (preferably on the page - maybe a mouseover tooltip or something?) as to exactly what it represents, compared to the overall ratios, and exactly what's included and isn't included in each.

I have to admit to being confused myself, activity ratio is presumably characters active in the last 30 days, but I'm not sure exactly what's in the overall figures - it'd make sense to be all characters but that can't be the case because my local data shows far more characters on my server than the website does. All characters above lvl 10 then? I'm not sure and I've been here a long time, so the average person might well just look at the overall numbers and think that's what the facts are, and not even take much notice of the activity ratio.

Btw I used to census the most wanted european realms regularly; I've been playing the game on my main server too much to find time for it lately but I'll try and get back into it Trouble is with so many new servers coming out there are far more servers than I have character slots (especially as I love my alts and have used all 10 slots on my main server) - I ran out of slots some time back and normally find I only have characters on a few of the most wanted!

[oiseaux]

Whenever, I log onto a server that needs a lot of help with data. I try to "recruit" people in the lowbie areas. I was rather successful the other day on one particular server. So just spreading the information by word of mouth will help this website greatly. The best thing about it, whenever you download census+ it will then load onto any other server that person may be playing on. He may play on 4 servers and then begin downloading data every day. Just a little effort can definitely go a long way in this case.

I am probably approaching the cap for characters as well. That's why we need to get more people involved. I mean let's face it, there are only a handful of us on these forums and we can't do it all. If people aren't visiting the site to upload their data, then they probably have no idea what realms need help.

So yeah, I think this week we can to concentrate on the first 5 realms on the horde and alliance which are:
(alliance)
Mannoroth 12 This server especially needs checked because there were free transfer off of it a month ago or so to Cho'gall. Numbers are most likely way off now.
Malorne 23
Thunderlord 24
Arthas 25
Kalecgos 25

(horde)
Frostwolf 9
Duskwood 11
Detheroc 17
Lightning's Blade 17
Ner'zhul 17

Ps. I have a character on Arthas and will be making one on Mannoroth.

[Balgair]

Just be glad all the US servers are in double figures (except one) - I'm having a massive headache looking at th EU most wanted and seeing only 6 in double figures, several on zero! That's gonna be fun to improve, so right now I'm going through the characters I have and seeing which are on green servers that I can delete and reassign to red ones.

Interestingly (and annoyingly) I thought the limit on characters was 50, yet I only have 40, and I know I haven't deleted more than 2 or 3 since I got told I'd hit the limit not so long ago

Edit: Indeed, I hit the limit when trying to make my 44th character. Sigh.

[oiseaux]

Yeah I feel your pain for the EU side. Unfortunately, most of us cannot help out with that . Don't hurt yourself trying to get the EU side better! haha It would probably take a whole week worths of submissions to get the Most Wanted sorted out for the EU. Just pick 1 or 2 and help out, but you can't do it all yourself. I guess thats why I made this post in the first place. We just need more people to stand up and help out.

[Balgair]

Heh yeah, could definitely use a few more, although looking at the most wanted today there's none on zero any more - as the two which were zero on both sides are pvp servers I can't be the only one censusing, as I couldn't be bothered deleting characters to census the other side

I've always had the impression there's a lot more US people than europeans active on this forum though, so I just don't know if there's ever going to be enough censusing to make more than a small dent in it

[Balgair]

Of course things like this realm don't help - yesterday it was showing as 0 updates for both sides, today alliance have had 177? I can't believe 177 people censused Alliance yesterday (especially when there's only one census been done on horde: mine), so either yesterday or today it was showing the wrong number

It's not the first time I've seen a realm showing as 0 censuses and then be green the next day - are there really so many people censusing all of a sudden, or is this a glitch of some kind that Rollie could take a look at? Makes it a little hard to choose realms to census when there's a chance that they don't even need it!

[Rollie]

You say it read 0 yesterday? There were about 25 entries added for that server/faction in the past 24 hours, but there were quite a few prior to that...

I'll do some quick checks against the existing most wanted realms and see if I can find an example of this happening.

[Rollie]

Well... I did find a problem =x

Tuns out in some of the queries I was using the time the data was submitted instead of the time the data reflects when pulling which info to use. It was still displaying the info correctly, just not always grabbing the right data.

I have updated that and am doing some additional searches to find any other possible areas this was impacting.

Can explain how realms just popped up on the Most Wanted though...

[Balgair]

Great, thanks Rollie, it was confusing me a bit when I'd see a realm on 0 all of a sudden and then it'd disappear as quickly as it appeared

Hmm, got another one here, http://www.warcraftrealms.com/census.php?serverid=237 alliance side showed as 22 last night (not even 24 hours ago, more like 16), but is now showing as 4 on the most wanted list - several censuses dropped out of the 30 days suddenly or another glitch?

[Rollie]

No, this is a factor of my having adjusted the query to pull from the right data. The numbers should be reflecting the right number in the last 30 days now.

[oiseaux]

Yeah whatever it was that you changed has significantly changed the Most Wanted lists. Some servers are now worse off than I originally thought. Actually they seem to make more sense to me now.

I am not sure if you have ever noticed this Rollie. If you look at the Realm Stats page and you click on a ratio that is red to see how many submissions it needs. A lot of the times, it will show they are actually yellow instead of red. I have double checked myself a few times, thinking I had just clicked on the wrong button. Maybe this problem is now fixed with the change you just made.

Let me find an example, so you understand what I mean. Gul'dan Server
http://www.warcraftrealms.com/census.php?serverid=605

But if you look at the big list of realms, it says red for both sides
http://www.warcraftrealms.com/realmstats.php

Maybe data is being processed and the Realm Stat page isn't being updated fast enough. Thats all I can think of. There are at least a handful of servers like this. This one I thought was the best example though.

[Rollie]

I make use of caching in various places of the site. It is very possible that when one page is generated and cached, then later another page is generated and cached, that the numbers might be a little off.

With the adjustment I made earlier, it should be a lot more consistent throughout though.

[oiseaux]

Okay Rollie that is great. Thanks for the update.